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Good afternoon and welcome to the state representative district 12 debates. I'm your moderator, Noah Galloway. We sent invitations to all, but only Mr. Mcuarter and Mr. Hollingsworth elected to attend. Now to the rules.

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0:16 Good afternoon and welcome to the state

0:38 representative district 12 debates. I'm your moderator, Noah Galloway. We sent invitations to all, but only Mr.

0:46 Mcuarter and Mr. Hollingsworth elected to attend. Now to the rules. No one is

0:52 allowed to accompany the candidates as we don't want outside influences impacting the debates. U number two, no

1:01 cell phones or electronic devices of any kind can be worn or in the possession

1:06 during the debate. Number three, we do not allow any pre-written statements or notes.

1:14 People want to hear what you have to say, not what has been prepared to say.

1:19 The only notes permitted are those to be taken during the debate. Each candidate

1:24 has been provided paper and pen just for that reason, and it will be taken up

1:29 before the final uh statement. Questions are formulated by the Tribune crew members before the final questions

1:40 are decided by a vote within the group. Questions alternate from Asw answers first, then B follows. In this instance,

1:50 Mr. Haulingsworth will go first and then followed by Mr. Mcuarter. The second question, Mr. Mcuarter will answer first

1:58 and then Mr. Hollingsworth. Each will have the chance to answer first on four

2:03 questions and second on four questions. This is to even the field. Each candidate will have 60 seconds to

2:11 introduce themselves and what position they are running for before this debate begins. Once the debate has concluded,

2:19 each candidate will have two minutes closing remarks, but this cannot be used to make accusations.

2:26 This next rule is for all questions. If accusations are made and the other

2:32 candidate has already spoken, then they will receive 45 seconds to reply to the

2:37 accusation with no further rebuttals. All right, gentlemen. Are y'all ready for uh for our debates?

2:45 >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Uh Mr. Hollingsworth, since uh you were uh won the coin toss, would

2:54 you like to go first as far as the um introduction? >> Sure, absolutely. So, I'm Clint

3:00 Hollingsworth. I'm running for House District 12 seat. Uh the vote is July 15th and just want to remind everybody

3:07 to show up to vote. Uh I'm a small business owner. I'm a cancer survivor.

3:12 I'm also a father of five. Um four children here on earth, one in heaven.

3:17 Um I am uh been married to my wife Lesie uh for 28 years and it has been an

3:23 incredible experience on this campaign trail and I've learned quite a bit. I'm also currently on the Cullman City

3:29 Council and been public service and really have enjoyed seeing the private sector in my business but also uh being

3:36 in public service and having experience in both. And it's been wonderful seeing a lot of you guys on the campaign trail

3:43 and learning more about your communities and hearing from you guys on what your

3:47 needs and wants are and look forward to serving you guys in Montgomery and I

3:51 appreciate your vote July the 15th. >> All right. Thank you, sir. Mr. McQuarter, your sir.

3:56 >> Yes. Uh I'm Dan McQuarter. Been a Coat Springs resident for 35 years. I run my

4:01 own business out of my house uh selling and servicing optical emission spectrometers. been married for 40 years

4:08 to my high school sweetheart. Uh we have uh three daughters and nine grandchildren. Uh it's been a wonderful

4:15 experience to get out and meet the people of Cullman. Uh have traveled for

4:18 a living. So it's kind of a new experience getting into town and and

4:22 meeting you guys and uh we certainly look forward to representing you in Montgomery.

4:28 >> Thank you both for the introductions and we'll get straight into it with question

4:32 one. This is involving hemp and CBD ban uh HB445. Mr. Hollingsworth, um do you support or

4:42 oppose the new Alabama law banning smokable hemp products? And how would you justify this decision

4:52 in light of the economic impact on small businesses, farmers in our district? I

4:57 certainly think that um you know there had to be some guard rails in place and

5:02 I know there are some mixed emotions and debates back and forth with kind of just

5:07 anti- everything group versus the business side and obviously being a small business owner the last thing I

5:13 want to do is to um you know do anything that's going to be detrimental to small

5:19 business. um we've got it hard enough as it is and it's important that we try to

5:24 do the things to to make the climate um where small business owners can survive.

5:29 And so this bill here, I know there's always the positives and negatives of

5:33 anything, but it is important to have some type of oversight and make sure

5:37 that number one, public safety comes first and there's nothing going out there that's going to harm folks. And so

5:44 it's important that we understand exactly kind of the devils in the details of any of these bills. And so

5:49 certainly it's important that uh we understand that and going forward um you know from what I've been hearing going

5:56 forward some of the main issues is listen your constituents on what's important to them and um I've heard this

6:02 topic pop up not as much as roads and bridges and schools and those type

6:06 things but certainly be glad to educate myself going forward if assuming I'm able to get elected.

6:12 >> All right. Thank you sir. Uh Mr. Mcquarter uh would you like me to repeat

6:17 please? >> All right. on hemp and CBD ban HB445. Do you support or oppose the new Alabama

6:23 ban uh Alabama law banning smokable hemp products? And how would you justify this

6:29 decision in light of the economic impact on small businesses and farmers in our

6:34 district? >> Well, um I oppose it as is currently written. Um um the people I've talked to uh who uh

6:43 run these uh shops uh are for a lot of the uh the rules and or the law as it's

6:51 written. Uh the childproof labeling, the packaging, uh the uh testing of batch products are all something these people

7:00 agree on. Uh the uh smokables um you you run into a couple of different versions

7:06 of smokables. You have vapes and you also have uh uh flowers. Um I think

7:11 there uh um uh would give uh give up the flowers if they could get a certain uh

7:19 uh type of vape manufactured that we've talked specifically of bringing all of this manufacturing process into Alabama

7:26 to be controlled by the state of Alabama. So that would be give us

7:30 another industry to work in the state. Uh so that's uh something that we would

7:35 look forward to. I think the the bill has guard rails on it. Uh I've looked at

7:40 other uh states and their modeling of this type of uh uh industry. Uh Missouri

7:46 comes to mind uh as that they have uh uh uh uh isolated the uh uh material from

7:54 the public. In other words, you would have to walk through an enclosed door

7:58 and and and identify yourself, make sure that you uh pass a legal identification

8:03 to be over 21 and then you would go into an adjacent room and and be able to

8:08 purchase the products. I think that's a a a real good way to do that. I don't

8:12 think in shutting the industry down the way it's uh written right now. uh also I

8:17 think the uh uh trace amount of THC at 03 is almost an incidental element even

8:24 though there's a lot of canniboids that can be derived from that level. So I

8:29 think it needs work and I would be against it in its current form.

8:33 >> All right, thank you. And we're going to move to question two which starts with

8:37 you Mr. >> Uh it's on the topic of medical marijuana. Mhm. >> Uh, where do you stand on Alamians

8:44 finally having access to medical marijuana in Alabama, but yet they don't have access to medical marijuana? Do you

8:52 believe current feed dragging and restrictions are too much? Why or why not? >> I absolutely I think medical marijuana

9:01 back to the smokables. I think once you go into the medical marijuana side, then

9:05 you know that's where the flowers would come into effect. That's where the smokables would come into effect. Uh I

9:12 do think that it's being held up. I think we have uh from what I understand

9:16 one company that is holding this up legally because they're not included into the licensed that were uh uh put

9:24 forward. So I'd say uh open it up to one more lency and let's get this show on

9:28 the road. >> All right. Thank you, sir. And uh Mr. Hollingsworth, would you like me to

9:34 repeat the question? >> Uh sure. >> All right. medical marijuana. Where do you stand on Alamians

9:40 uh to finally have access to medical marijuana in Alabama but yet not to have

9:47 access? Do you believe current feet dragging and restrictions are too much? Why or why not?

9:53 >> Well, this hits home to me. Um in 2006, I was diagnosed with non-hodgkins

9:59 lymphoma at age 29. went through several scans, obviously six rounds of chemo, one of which was called the Red Devil,

10:08 and it lived up to its name. And I remember, of course, my wife having to

10:12 take care of me, but in the middle of the night having excruciating pain. I

10:17 felt like I just had lightning going through my joints and bones. It was

10:22 awful. Um, certainly something that Tylenol was not going to take care of. And so I know there's a lot of folks out

10:29 there that have either gone through what I did or something similar or seen a

10:34 family member struggle and go through. So I would be the last person to tell

10:39 somebody when it comes to trying to help with certain pain uh that they can't pop

10:44 a gummy uh to try to help them. If that will help them and they get relief uh

10:48 physically and and really mentally, then that's the scary thing with cancer. It affects you mentally and physically. and

10:56 that caretaker is also involved, the one that trying to help you. And so that's

10:59 one of those that hits home to me. And certainly like anything, there's use and

11:03 abuse of anything. And we see that in other things. And I think it's something

11:08 that um certainly like I've talked about before, the devil's always in the details. When anything is presented, you

11:15 want to look up look over it, make sure you understand what's being presented,

11:19 and make sure before you cast a vote that you truly understand what you're

11:22 voting for. >> All right. Thank you, sir. And now we're going to move on to question number

11:28 three. And Mr. Hollingsworth, this goes to you. This is on rural infrastructure. So we got to the bridges and stuff. And

11:35 of course, so uh the question is, what is your plan to help improve rural

11:40 infrastructure in districts 12, especially roads, water system, broadband, internet? Who should be financially responsible? The state

11:50 developers or local government? Well, you know, we have all seen this locally. Uh Tim Co Pepper uh has done a fantastic

11:58 job with the co-op with what we've seen with broadband and I know we all went

12:02 through co and kids and trying to get Wi-Fi and all these different things.

12:05 People in business for themselves. I know Dan was talking earlier where he lives and running a business out of, you

12:11 know, his office and home. There's a lot of people that work from home and need

12:15 highsp speeded internet. It's crucial. Um, and I think it's important that we kind of don't lose sight of that when

12:20 you talk about infrastructure, but we naturally talk about roads, bridges, street repair, all that kind of stuff.

12:26 I've been a part of a lot of this um 157, seeing that finally come to

12:32 fruition for our hospital, our industry, our residents, our businesses, even though that was such a rather three mile

12:38 stretch, it took forever to try to get funding in place. Uh, roads and bridges

12:42 and all that is very important. being on the council, seeing Eva Road Bridge

12:46 getting done, seeing Larkwood Bridge getting done after it was washed away with awful storm, securing over $20

12:53 million for St. Bernard Bridge, which we all been screaming for that project. We've got to have help from our state

13:01 and uh DC to get these uh projects done. And it does not happen in a couple of

13:07 years, one term, sometimes two terms. It takes time. And so it's important when

13:12 you get to see these things through and be a part of it. It's so rewarding at

13:16 the end to see the benefit for all of Cullman County. And that's what I'll

13:20 continue to do for this district. >> Thank you, sir. And Mr. Mcuarter, would

13:25 you like me to repeat? >> All right. It's on rural infrastructure. And what is your plan to help improve

13:33 rural infrastructure in District 12, especially roads, water systems, and broadband internet? Who should be

13:40 financially responsible? The state developers or local government? >> Um I believe all three. Um the U state

13:49 uh obviously 157's a state road. Uh 278 is a a state road. Uh we did talk to

13:58 ALDOT on the bridge in by St. Bernard. Uh they have plans to uh uh uh two-lane

14:06 that from uh Fourth Street out to where the uh uh uh two-lane is at um I think

14:13 it's uh the 69 157 uh uh interchange. Um but um yeah, the uh the roads itself,

14:22 broadband is I think uh already been uh uh discussed. Sprout is out here.

14:28 They're going through the county. I have it. It works great. uh very reliable,

14:33 high speed. Uh have been begging for that for years. So I think that's been a

14:37 wonderful uh addition. Um the um water um is interesting in that we live on a

14:45 dirt road uh for the last 35 years that has a 2-in water line. There's not a

14:49 fire hydrant within a mile. So uh but I don't want to say we're used to it, but

14:54 we are. Um the uh so the there's not enough road money. there's not enough uh

15:02 uh taxes coming back to Cullman. Cullman has the second largest amount of road

15:06 mileage behind Jefferson County. Uh one of my platforms is to try and get a

15:12 negotiation with the uh uh legislature to change the uh uh distribution from a

15:18 population base to a road mileage base and see if we can't get some more money

15:23 that way. Um I've been told that's going to uphill battle. I'm sure it is. Uh I

15:28 don't I don't anticipate any uh of my uh legislative uh um products to be uh uh

15:38 just a slam dunk. I'm sure you got to work with people. I'm sure there's

15:42 compromise. And uh but uh if you don't if you don't try, you're never going to

15:47 get it done. >> Yes, sir. And that leads us to question number four. So we're going to kind of

15:53 move away from all that. So question number four is public safety and mental

15:59 health. So this is for you Mr. Start. >> Do you support funding mental health

16:04 crisis centers and training for law enforcement on mental health calls? How would you improve rural mental health

16:12 access? >> I'm going to be pretty honest on this. I have uh have not really uh thought about

16:19 the mental health side of uh uh especially when encounters with police department. I do know that that is an

16:26 issue that a lot of people have lost their lives with encounters of the

16:30 police with police. Uh I I'm always surprised that um uh the uh uh some of

16:38 the uh encounters have turned into fatalities. Uh I always wonder why deadly force is used especially when

16:45 someone is is uh apparently uh uh not a a complete threat. Uh I can understand

16:53 where you want to protect yourself as an officer and uh but um uh I I think uh

16:59 that is a a difficult question and uh I haven't really gone in depth on that

17:06 particular topic. So um that would just be my personal opinion. All right. Hey,

17:12 we appreciate the honesty and that's what everybody wants. And uh Mr. Hollingsworth, would you like me to

17:17 repeat the question? >> Yes, please. >> All right. This is public safety and

17:20 mental health. Do you support funding mental health crisis centers and training for law enforcement on mental

17:26 health calls? How would you improve rural mental health access? >> So, this kind of looking at this in

17:33 multiple different way. I wish really Cindy was here because she's talked a lot about this on the campaign trail

17:38 about mental health in the in the in the school system >> and I've talked to a couple counselors

17:43 and it's really scary at the ages of these children that have got severe

17:49 mental illness issues and it seems to be younger and younger like second graders,

17:54 first graders and it's really um concerning. Uh, and I know a lot of

17:59 families have dealt with mental illness in their families where it doesn't seem like whatever money you throw at it,

18:05 time you throw at it, counseling you throw at it, government, you know, whatever, it doesn't work and it's so

18:13 hard because dealing with somebody with mental illness, it's like you're throwing your hands up because you want

18:18 to help, but you're trying to figure out how to do it. Uh I know on the council

18:23 um with Chris Van Djk has done a really good job locally and being able to try

18:28 to help folks and we give appropriations every year um to uh his organization

18:34 that will help a lot of our locals and but it just seemed like it's never

18:38 enough. I've got a brother who's a local police officer, so I hear from him of

18:42 dealing with folks that just are hard to deal with. And it's it's just it's it's

18:47 a big issue that needs to be discussed and it's in the school system. It's in

18:53 obviously everything that we're involved in of just dealing and trying to get help for these people, but what's going

18:58 to be effective? Uh is it medication? Uh obviously education, these type things are how to deal with it. And certainly

19:05 I'd be a big proponent of trying to tackle this at multiple different angles.

19:10 >> Right. Thank you both for that answer. Uh Mr. Hollings words number five is for

19:15 you. Uh it's workforce development. What will you do to strengthen workforce development programs including trade

19:23 education and partnerships with local employers? Um, you know, when I think of workforce

19:29 development, I think of what, you know, the county has done with an opportunity

19:34 for kids and the city to be able to go to work. You know, college isn't for

19:39 everybody. Um, and our um workforce, it's it's tough. Um you look at employers, they're all scramging around

19:48 trying to find um you know employees and they're having bidding wars with all of

19:53 our industry trying to keep good employees because you know it's a lot of

19:58 competition which is good but our workforce it's a double-edged sword. We've got one of the lowest unemployment

20:04 rates in Cullman County which is great but the pool of applicants is really

20:08 tough when it comes to filling these jobs. Uh Wall State comes to mind.

20:12 Vicki, Miss Vicki, has done a fantastic job down there um at being able to

20:17 partner with our industries and companies and businesses to try to to have these um students a opportunity in

20:25 a career, not just a job when they graduate from Wallace. Um and so there's

20:30 just so many different things, but the at the end of the day, there's so much

20:34 opportunity here in Cullman County. If somebody wants a job or career, there's places that they can be hired at. And I

20:42 think being a part of that during my time on the council of making an

20:46 environment where people we have a strong economy and a strong workforce, uh we just need to be able to keep

20:52 supporting um these folks and u I'm proud to be a part of that and continue

20:57 to work hard for this whole district and the Brett Crowers of the world that hire

21:03 in his plant and these are local folks mostly that rely on that plant for to

21:08 support their family and seeing this from a local level and the people. It's

21:13 been tremendous to see these companies expand and grow and want to locate here

21:17 in Cullman because they've got confidence in this area. >> Thank you, sir. Mr. Mcuarter, would you

21:22 like me to repeat the question? >> Sure. All right. It's on workforce development and the question is, what

21:27 would you do to strengthen workforce development programs including trade education and partnerships with local

21:34 employers? Well, uh, currently, um, I think the, uh, uh, biggest impact would be to

21:41 promote, uh, the dual enrollment programs that are allowed out of the high schools. Uh, this would allow

21:47 people who are not necessarily looking to go to a 4-year college to get a trade

21:53 through Wall State in welding or some other uh, technical uh, application or uh, trade. Um and uh that would bring me

22:01 uh to my uh one of my planks on my platform which is a standalone lottery

22:07 bill. Uh we are putting uh uh kids in Tennessee and Georgia through two years

22:12 of trade school, technical school and or a junior college and tuition free. Uh

22:20 and uh I think that's something we should be doing. We should stop giving

22:24 our money away to these states. we should break out the lottery from the

22:28 class 3 gaming bills that it's attached to. That would be a constitutional amendment. Uh so everybody in the state

22:34 would get an opportunity to vote on that. So I would think that and that's

22:39 one of my platforms is to uh uh get our guys uh uh trained up and um um

22:47 um pretty much >> you know educated it cost effectively and and from what I

22:57 understand even the dual enrollment right now if you have a dual enrollment uh then uh some of the high schools

23:04 actually uh uh pay for or wave the cost of going to say Wall State for a

23:10 technical uh degree. >> Thank you sir. Thank you both for that question. All right,

23:19 we're probably going to give you just about 60 seconds more on this question.

23:22 This is kind of a larger question that's been at hand for the last couple months,

23:27 actually for about a year now. Um, so Mr. Mcuarter, you'll start with this.

23:32 Okay. >> And this is question number six, and this is involving SB 322 in Smith Lake.

23:37 >> Yes. >> All right. This is multi-tiered. So, if you would kind of answer in order. Okay.

23:44 >> Okay. >> Have you read SP 322 in full? And could you explain in your own words what it

23:51 actually allows? Specifically, do you believe this bill could open the door to annexation

23:58 without voter input or create tax advantages for out ofstate developers? What is your stance on the bill? And

24:05 please elaborate. Uh I have read uh SB uh 322 and I've also read SB 328

24:15 and um I I think it does uh open up uh uh tax advantages for uh uh investors

24:23 that are from out of state. Um it it appears to me that um the um uh

24:32 annexation portion of it uh is something that uh they're probably going to come

24:36 back to the city of Kleman and ask for some type of bond issue. The uh Porch

24:42 Creek Indians are definitely involved in this. It goes into a potential casino gaming. If you look at the last uh

24:51 casino gaming bill that was put forward in 2022, I think it was SB 293,

24:59 uh the U what they do not go into uh it's two twofold. One is you you make the Porsch

25:08 Creek Indians monopoly uh of casino gaming. They can put uh casinos in the

25:15 uh racetracks, uh dog tracks, uh and they're allowed to have up to four uh uh casinos, but

25:22 nobody else is allowed in. There's nobody there's no room for a bin or MGM.

25:28 Uh I'm not personally for casino gaming. Uh since it would be a constitutional

25:33 amendment, it would have to go to the people. It it does the uh seem to uh uh

25:41 the gaming seems to lean heavily on the fact that the lotteryy's attached to it.

25:45 That's why I want to break the lottery out. That again, that would be a

25:48 constitutional amendment to be voted on. Uh so, um yeah. Um it's uh there's other things that are going on

25:59 behind the scenes. Uh there's an actual bill in the uh Congress, the Senate uh

26:06 uh sponsored by Katie Britt and Tommy Tupperville. It's SB1750. It would allow the Porch Creek Indians

26:12 who were only formed or recognized as a tribe in 1984 to fall under the um uh uh

26:21 reorganiz Indian reorganization act of 1934. This would allow them to uh form a

26:27 council or what they would have to do first is it's called a feed of trust uh

26:34 procedure where they would hand their deed over to the Indian affairs and from

26:38 there uh if that's accepted and that bills passed through the uh Congress, the United States Congress, then uh

26:44 wherever they have land would be historic tribal land. So they could form a committee and do whatever they want to

26:51 with it. uh back to 293. Uh there's no uh it's not a solidified

26:59 bill, so anything can change in that bill, which would allow them to possibly

27:04 have uh what's called satellite casinos. This would allow for up to 300 different

27:08 gaming machines at a at a different location. And uh again, uh as Clint

27:15 says, the dirt's in the details, and there's a lot of them there. >> Thank you, M. Mr. McWater. Uh, Mr.

27:22 Hollingsworth, would you like me to reread the question? >> Absolutely. Yeah, my add's kicking in.

27:26 >> It's all right. That's all right. We've only got a couple more questions after

27:28 this, I promise. All right. Uh, this is question six. This is SB 322 and Smith

27:33 Lake Resort. Have you read SB 322 in full? And can you explain in your own

27:39 words what it actually allows? Specifically, do you believe this bill could open the door to annexation

27:45 without voter input or create tax advantage for out ofstate developers? what is your stance on the bill and

27:51 could you please elaborate? >> So, you know, yes, I've read over the bill. Um, I really have not spent a

27:59 whole lot of time on this mainly because uh nothing has really been presented to

28:04 me as a council member and I don't know if there ever will be, but if there will

28:07 be, obviously I'm going to be off the council by then. And so, whoever is

28:11 elected will have to deal with that. But like any annexation, it has it has to

28:16 come from the property owner. So, whoever that property owner has got to send a request to be brought in. And

28:23 now, I've dealt with that quite a bit because of neighborhoods and folks wanting to be part of the city school

28:29 system or for whatever reasons, but most of the time it's school system. And so,

28:33 I've been a part of that. And so, that's basically something that's not a slam

28:37 dunk. There's still requirements and steps and procedures that are in place that have to be gone through in order

28:44 for somebody to even qualify to be annexed in. And whether that's annex in

28:49 the city of Cullman or Good Hope, Hville, whatever, there's still procedures in place that's got to

28:54 happen. Um, we have heard a lot of rumors. I know Dan probably has heard

28:58 certain things, too. You don't know what to believe, but I know ultimately it is

29:03 a hot topic and we want to be sensitive to this district. not only the district

29:07 but the whole county u but especially those folks down in Cold Springs that

29:11 are closer to this and make sure it's not going to be something that's

29:15 detrimental um to our communities and from traveling around and listening to folks you know

29:22 their top priorities is roads, bridges, schools, volunteer fire departments. That's what's resonating in the district

29:30 um that I've been going to. Have they brought that up? Absolutely they have.

29:34 Um, but it's one of those situations that I think if we make oursel

29:38 available, they know we're actually going to show up to Montgomery, like we're showing up to this debate today,

29:44 and realize, you know what, Clint's going to answer my call. If I end up

29:47 want to meet with him, he's going to meet with me and let's talk about it.

29:51 But I hate to kind of get into a bunch of hypotheticals on something that may

29:55 or may not even happen. Um, and I just hate that it's gotten to a point that a

30:01 a social media post a long time ago came out and really stirred things up.

30:07 Whether you're whatever side of this you're on, it's not good for Cullman County. Um, it's just not and it just

30:14 makes things the quarreling and just the emotions just go crazy. And we all know

30:21 what happens when we start making decisions out of emotion. It's not good for anybody. It's not good for me. it's

30:26 not good for this district or Cullman County. And so I think the biggest thing

30:30 is is is going around to these different communities. I love what Sheriff Gentry

30:35 has done when he does even the hamburgers and hot dogs. It's an opportunity for folks to come and let's

30:42 talk about the issues. Let's talk about what concerns you. And I love seeing the

30:46 reaction from these senior citizens that love having us there so they can ask the

30:52 questions and let's get the story right. And I want to make sure I'm available

30:55 going forward and keep that going um for all our community to make sure that

31:00 their voice is heard and make sure that they do have a vote. If it's something

31:04 worth voting on, let's make sure people are educated. And like I said, the devil

31:09 is in the details. We've got to make sure and understand what we're voting on

31:13 and what we're doing. U but we also have heard a lot of you our school folks and

31:18 our uh folks with roads and and homeowners and businesses saying we've got to have some help. we've got to put

31:23 it in dad gum four low just to get to my house out here in the county or their

31:28 lake home or whatever because the roads are so bad and I know that the

31:32 commission's probably doing the best they can but you've only got so much money there and so you know in a dream

31:38 world if we could wave a wine and this retail development is able to bring the

31:44 revenue in and does it in a safe you know a safe manner where you've got a

31:48 full-time police station a full-time fire station that's fully staffed that is state-of-the-art where they've got to

31:55 respond to these medical calls. They've got to respond to these calls on the

31:59 lake. They've got to help. When a business owner, Brett Crowder, for instance, on Sunday had a fire with an

32:04 AC unit that fortunately that volunteer fire department responded and was able to put that fire out. Otherwise, it

32:11 could have gotten into this whole other operation. So, and our interest rates or

32:16 I'm sorry, interest rates will also lower for the business owner and the homeowner. So, if this does happen,

32:23 there are some positives that could happen from the actual development. But like what Dan has mentioned, you've got

32:28 two different issues going on here. You've got the bill and then you got the

32:32 potential is this going to be a resort? What all is going to be encompassed with

32:36 this? You know, and until I see this, which I have not yet, the details of it,

32:42 it's hard to really form a strong opinion on something that there's still a lot of question marks. So, that's

32:47 where I stand at this moment. >> All right. Thank you sir for that

32:49 question or for that answer. Um we're going to stick with you Mr. Hollingsworth and this is kind of leads

32:57 into our next is which is economic development versus local control. How do you balance economic development

33:05 incentives with protecting the rights of local residents and small businesses who may be affected by largecale resorts or

33:14 retail developments? So, we actually just had this discussion um just the other day because not all incentives are

33:20 good. Uh a lot of times there's a mis, you know, of like, yeah, we're going to

33:25 do this. And it's like there's some criteria that need to be involved. Um

33:29 does it truly create the jobs that they say it's going to? Uh what kind of

33:33 cannibalization is going to happen? Um being a small business owner and Dan too, uh the last thing I want to do is

33:40 have one more competitor come in, especially a big box. Now, however, there's also a duty, I think, to meet

33:47 the demand for certain things, too. You got a Mary Carter paint store, which is

33:52 a nice locallyowned and operated store, but you also have Walmart. And there's roles for both here, you know, and so I

33:58 think that it is a delicate balance when you look at these incentive packages

34:03 that you kind of have to dangle the carrot out a lot of times because

34:07 there's certain things they've got to meet in order to get that incentive. And

34:11 I think that's so important because I think there is um uh an idea out there

34:16 that they're going to automatically get it and that's not the case. They've got

34:19 to create these jobs. They've got to do the things that they're going to promise

34:23 and the investment made in order to get those incentives. So for a lot of the

34:28 things that we've done, it's been great, but it's not always something that we

34:32 want to do. And going forward, I think the biggest thing with this council,

34:35 whoever's elected, is they're going to have to relook at some of the ways we've

34:40 done it in the past, because let's face it, where we were 10, 15, 20 years ago

34:44 is a lot different. And because I've seen industrial development, the growth, the expansions, which were great. I've

34:50 also seen the retail uh growth and development, been a part of it. Publix,

34:54 the exporting goods, that whole area of retail was dead and dying. We had

35:00 merchants saying, "Y'all have got to do something." And so Publix came here three or four times before they finally

35:07 said yes. And they have killed it. Dick Sporting Goods, that whole Ulta, all of

35:11 that area has been fantastic, not just for those merchants, but you've seen other development trickle up Highway 31,

35:19 which eventually is going to connect 157. And so I think, you know, once you

35:24 do a certain project, you love to see how it how it comes out. And that

35:28 particular retail project has done very well and has meet a lot of the the the

35:34 things that customers have asked us not customers or residents have asked us for

35:38 because they don't want to have to go to Decatur, Birmingham or Huntsville to buy

35:42 certain things. They want to eat here. They want to shop here. And we need that

35:45 sales tax to go forward. That's what pays the bills locally is the sales tax.

35:50 It helps the city and the county. And what's good for the city is good for the

35:54 county. What's good for the county is good for the city. And it's a uh a

35:58 unique tax breakdown. And so all this goes full circle from small business to

36:04 bigger business. It's all part of a a uh part of our city and our county and

36:09 district that everybody benefits if it's structured the right way. >> Thank you, sir, for that that answer. Uh

36:15 Mr. McOrder, would you like me to repeat the question, sir? All right. Uh this

36:18 leads into economic development versus local control. How do you balance economic development incentives with

36:25 protecting the rights of local residents and small businesses who may be affected by largecale resort or retail

36:33 developments? >> Well, that's interesting because a lot of what I've heard on the uh uh talking

36:39 to people is that uh Cullman is starting to lose its small town feel. We're

36:44 starting to get a massive amount of traffic uh through here. Um uh some of

36:49 the uh uh people I've approached u uh just recently at some of the events are

36:56 uh from out of state Ohio, Tennessee, they're bringing in uh tax dollars. I

37:01 think uh maybe our expansion could be happening a little too quick for some of

37:05 the uh older residents. I think um when you're bringing somebody uh uh we we

37:11 don't need to sacrifice our quality of life for another box store. Um, I think

37:17 uh we should be picky with our incentives. Uh, we do have a great

37:21 quality of life. It's a lot of people moved out out here uh years ago and and

37:27 we we're watching it slowly disappear. Uh, the quality of life on Smith Lake.

37:31 You're going to put a what a 2100 acre resort, three golf courses, airport, uh,

37:39 large hotel. I mean, that sure it brings money in, but it bring is going to bring

37:43 a a lot of traffic. Uh when we moved up here, Smith Lake had 600 miles of

37:48 shoreline. It's over 700 miles of shoreline now. That's the erosion that's going on. That's the lake uh getting

37:55 bigger but getting shallower. Uh so I I think uh you got to you got to be really

38:00 careful on how who comes in, what they bring to the table, what kind of

38:05 incentives there are. Having said that, uh some of the uh uh people who have

38:10 come in and gotten incentives u are I think contribute greatly to what Cullman

38:17 has to offer. And so it's a it's a true double-edged sword. >> Can I say something to that? Were you

38:24 able to >> I'm going to give you both 20 seconds each to rebut. I just wanted to say that

38:29 yes, a lot of the same things, but I think the biggest thing I've talked

38:34 about is I can deal with somebody that comes to me, Clint, it takes me 10 long

38:38 10 minutes longer to get to home. Hey, you know, this growth, traffic, all

38:42 these kind of things. I get it. I get we all deal with it. But what is so hard to

38:47 reverse and so hard to deal with is when they come to me, I can't find a job. I

38:52 can't I can't support my family. I'm having to close down my business. Those

38:56 are real problems. >> Mr. order. >> Um, I don't have any comment for that.

39:00 >> All right. All right. And this leads us to number eight, Mr. Mcuarter. Uh, your

39:07 legislative philosophy. If elected, how will you ensure your vote reflects the will of District 12 residents? Not

39:16 Montgomery lobbyist, political party leaders, or large donors? >> Well, I don't have any large donors. Um,

39:23 and or political party leaders, per se. uh so they those wouldn't come into

39:29 effect. I I think uh communication and is the the best way we would like to

39:35 leave up our uh our phone, you know, certainly my phone number and uh my uh

39:41 Facebook page. I've never been on Facebook until now. Uh so that's a new

39:46 uh method of communication. Uh and it's a two-way street. uh the the the fact

39:53 that uh uh the last election was uh basically 3,000 people showed up and and

40:00 in a special election that that's going to affect, you know, how this this state

40:05 or this county moves forward in the next four years, next session anyway. Uh so

40:12 it's um um uh I I I I think we could vote the the will of the people. I think

40:19 uh it takes a a you know a concerted effort, but it it's it's a two-way

40:24 street. You you you got to have the the uh electric get in touch with you and

40:28 tell you how they feel. And uh like I said, uh the communication through

40:33 phone, uh text, email would be helpful. >> And Mr. Hollingsworth, would you like me

40:39 to repeat that question? >> Sure. Great. >> It's uh your legislative philosophy. If

40:44 elected, how will you ensure your vote reflects the will of District 12 residents? Not Montgomery lobbyists,

40:51 political leaders, political party leaders, or large donors. >> You know, I think that from some of the

40:57 travels, I was down at Colony, there's senior center, and u precious people down there. And they told me, said,

41:04 Clint, we've had so many people come through here, everybody's wanting our vote and all this kind of stuff. Because

41:09 I asked them, I said, "What can I do to help? what's your top one or two things

41:12 that we can, you know, we can do to make improvements? And they just said, "Don't

41:16 forget us. Don't forget us down here." Because a lot of times people come

41:19 through, we don't ever see them again. And I think that the way technology is

41:26 uh which you know people want to bash technology and this there's a bad side

41:29 of it that we see with cyber bullying and all these kind of things but when it

41:34 comes to getting in contact uh whether it's through Instagram, a Facebook, a Tik Tok or a you know obviously a text

41:42 message, phone call, you can get in touch with folks better than any way

41:47 ever since when I was a kid. uh if I wanted to be able to send a message to

41:52 my NBA, you know, idol Larry Bird and for the Celtics back then, I couldn't I

41:58 couldn't reach that guy. Now, you've got access to be able to send him a message

42:02 or do all sorts of things now that you never could. So, as a public official,

42:07 you've got to make sure sure you're available, but also be in tune with some

42:11 of these ways for them to contact you. Now, sometimes you might not able to,

42:15 you know, respond as quick as as they want to, but you certainly need to to be

42:20 able to be in tune with that. Um, and as far as, you know, special interest in

42:25 these things, you know, I'm proud to be a small business owner in automotive

42:29 industry and get in support of my constituents. I'm proud to have locals that see confidence in me that want to

42:36 invest and certainly want my, you know, obviously I've asked for their support and they've given my support. But in

42:42 sales, if you don't ask for it, you won't get it. And so, you've got to ask

42:46 for it. Same way when we go to Montgomery, uh, when I'm down there, I'm

42:49 going to ask for funding for my district, and I'm going to expect to get

42:53 it. And if I don't get it, I'm going to be persistent, and I'm going to keep

42:56 showing up and keep showing up until I take care of my people. Because

43:00 ultimately, if I don't take care of my district, then they're going to kick me

43:03 out. And that's the great thing about an election every four years, if you're not

43:07 showing up and doing your job, even when it gets hard. Even it when you think you

43:11 may get embarrassed or maybe you're uncomfortable a little bit, you still show up and you fight for your district

43:18 and you see it through. You see it through. And so, it's so important that

43:22 people that resonates with them. This guy's going to go down there and fight

43:26 and bring home funding and grants for our volunteer fire departments, our roads, our school system, our needs

43:33 throughout this district and all of Cullman County. And once again, I've been doing that for my constituents here

43:38 in Cullman. I will continue to do that in Montgomery for my district. And I'm

43:42 proud of that and I have a record that we can point to on it.

43:46 >> All right. >> I'd like to make a comment. >> I'm going to give you both 20 seconds on

43:50 that. All right. >> Okay. Um, yeah. Um uh I've been to Colony a couple of times and they they

43:55 they are interesting in that they are one of the few uh interstate interchanges that have not been

44:01 developed. Uh the people I've spoken with mentioned that uh a lot of their uh

44:08 younger people are leaving and moving out of that area. They were they're wanting to see if there uh if there's

44:14 any way to get development into that area. Uh I I've offered them to either

44:18 go to an enterprise zone or an opportunity zone and I'm waiting to hear

44:22 back. >> Sir, Mr. Hollings, sorry. >> Uh and I've actually talking with the

44:26 fire chief the other night. We had a um little forum with all the chiefs

44:30 throughout the volunteer fire departments throughout the county and I'm meeting with them Monday night and

44:34 talking about their needs down there. And so it's important once again to answer the question, you got to show up.

44:39 You got to be available and that people need to know that you care and you

44:42 listen. You listen first. Thank you both. Uh, I'm going to grab your notes before we do our closing

44:50 statements. >> That's a bill. You want to pay that one? >> Don't think I could.

44:58 >> All right. And Mr. Hollingsworth, if we let you go first on opening statement. Mr.

45:04 Mcquarter, we're going to let you go first on our closing statements. You both have two minutes.

45:09 >> Okay. Well, um, I think I think we need a change in Montgomery. I don't think we

45:15 have uh adequate representation. Uh we have actually no representation in the last year or so. Uh and when SB 322 went

45:24 through, there was nobody in the house to uh uh voice a different opinion. Uh

45:30 it kind of sailed through. Um I don't know why we actually needed SB 322 if

45:36 you had SB 328. So uh that's uh kind of problematic. I I hear a lot of that. the quality of life

45:44 out in uh Code Springs and out in the that part of the lake has been

45:50 deteriorating. I don't think this project going out there is going to help us uh uh much. I don't know if it will

45:57 get off the ground. Uh like Clint says, it may it may be a nothing burger, but

46:02 uh there there is a lot of uh uh money being thrown at this. And um uh I think

46:09 uh back to uh representing your constituents. I hear what they're saying and again I one of my platforms is to

46:17 repeal 322. >> All right. Is that it, sir? All right. Mr. Hollingsworth, you have two minutes

46:25 on your closing statement, sir. >> Yes. I just obviously ask for your vote

46:29 for July the 15th. Um and your support, but more importantly, your prayers going

46:34 forward. This has been a long campaign. Even though it's a short window, those

46:38 days and nights and going door todo, putting up signs. It's been very educational, but it definitely is a lot

46:45 of work. And I hope people have seen that I truly uh am working to earn your

46:50 trust and vote. And it's important to me, and it's important that everybody is

46:54 represented. And it's one of those we're going to continue to work. Um, I think

46:59 that some of the things that are cons concerning um that I've, you know, kind

47:03 of heard from constituents are volunteer fire departments. I was at Cold Springs and a gentleman that's the fire chief

47:09 there said, "Clint, we're working off radios that are over 20 years old." And

47:14 to me, the most fundamental thing about their job and public safety is communication. And we've got to get them

47:21 new radios. And they're not the only ones. And so we've got to once again

47:25 when you show up and you listen to people, you get to understand what the

47:29 needs are. Um when you hear folks that have built a nice home or they've been

47:34 in that area for, you know, 50 years and they haven't had their road paved since

47:39 1995, um those are things that are concerning. Uh these are things that we need to

47:45 address. Um and yes, there's only so much money to go around, but once again,

47:50 you've got to show up as a public official. and my experience being in the

47:54 public eye and representing uh Cullman for these years matters. It's going to make a difference when we go to

48:00 Montgomery. And so I obviously want to know and let folks know that I will be

48:06 available and I will work hard and I'll make sure that we get what we need for

48:10 this district and I appreciate your support and prayers and vote on July 15th, this Tuesday.

48:17 >> All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mr. Mcmortar, Mr. Mr. Hollingsworth for

48:21 both showing up for this debate and answering the questions and uh you know

48:26 answering to the best of both of your abilities and uh I know our readers and

48:31 watchers are uh happy to actually see people come in and instead of just a

48:37 normal forum setting actually have a normal debate. >> Um thank you both. I appreciate you. I

48:43 appreciate you both and uh we are going to end uh this debate and uh thank you

48:50 both and thank you for everyone watching. >> Thanks for the invite. >> Thank you.

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