Cullman City Council Place 4 debate

0:33 Hello and welcome to the beautiful Bailey Center auditorium on the grounds of Wallis State College in Hansville.

0:39 Thank you to our gracious host Wall State College and Dr. Vicky Carlos. The

0:45 2025 debate series and question and answer forum continues today with mun with the municipal elections, more

0:53 specifically Cullman City Council. These events are designed to give the public more unfiltered answers without

1:01 the questions ahead of time, direct comparisons, and meaningful conversation. Today we continue with

1:08 Cullman City Council place three. Now we shift our focus to the candidates running for place three. Both Johnny

1:15 Cook and Jason Willoughby are present today to answer questions. We work diligently to reach every candidate and

1:23 we are very happy that you both are able to attend today. With all that being

1:28 said, let's get to the rules for the candidates. No electronic devices permitted. So if you have a smartwatch

1:34 on on stage, please turn it off. Questions will alternate so no candidate answers first or last more than the

1:42 other. Your opening statement is limited to 60 seconds and may be a prepared

1:48 statement. Time allotted per question will be 2 minutes. A closing statement is limited to 90 seconds and must be

1:57 spoken without notes. One rebuttal per question, but only if a candidate calls out the other. And then it is set for a

2:06 45se secondond rebuttal. Facts only. No accusations without proof. This will only allocate additional time to your

2:15 opponents. Voters deserve substance over slogans. So let's begin. Mr. Cook, if you would, your opening

2:26 statement. You have 60 seconds, sir. >> Good afternoon. and I'm Johnny Cook and

2:31 I want to thank uh Wallace College and Noah here for having us today. Uh I'm

2:37 city council place 3. My wife Don and I have been married 42 years. We have

2:44 three children who all reside in Cullman and they're raising our grandchildren here. That's a very proud accomplishment

2:52 that I'm very proud of because we've created a place that is safe and secure

2:58 to raise families. Proud of the other accomplishments that we've done in this city to bring industry, jobs, and

3:06 accommodations for all ages and abilities. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir, for your opening

3:14 statement. And Mr. Willoughby, if you would like to give your opening statement, sir.

3:19 >> I'm Jason Willoughby. I'm running for city council to place three. I'm a sixth

3:25 generation Cullman resident. My third greatgrandfather, Joseph, migrated to Cole Springs from Villa Rica, Georgia in

3:32 the 1800s, homesteaded a track of 120 acres. And u I'm a Christian, I'm a

3:40 father, I'm a husband, and I'm the candidate running on term limits. and a

3:46 and a common sense approach to growth. >> Thank you sir for your opening

3:51 statements and we shall begin with the questions starting with you first. Uh Johnny, we're going to go by first names

3:59 during the during this. >> All right. So Johnny, you'll go first and this is on experience. What past

4:06 experiences best prepare you to serve on the council and what weakness what weaknesses do you have that voters

4:15 should consider? >> Wow. Experiences. Well, I've had a I've had a good tenure here

4:23 and so earlier you talked about adversities. I've faced a tornado. I helped shape uh the alcohol ordinance

4:34 to make both sides happy. uh when the citizens voted to go wet, we've went

4:42 through the hail storm, COVID, uh and when we first when I first came

4:50 on, nobody else has experienced an economic downturn that we worked through and every employee kept their job and

4:59 they kept working 40 hours a week. Uh that would that would be the uh the

5:07 experience level. The the weakness would be uh probably wanting to spend time with your family

5:16 and them having to suffer you not being there. >> Thank you sir for your response. And

5:26 Jason, same question on experience. What past experiences best prepare you to serve on the council and what weaknesses

5:36 do you have that voters should consider? >> Well, one thing's for certain, I don't

5:41 have 17 years of experience on city council, but I do have 25 years of

5:45 experience in private business where we have 17 co-workers. We also went through the the downturn in ' 08, the tragedy

5:53 really in ' 08, 09. Uh at the time we only had three employees and it was me

5:58 and my father and another gentleman and so me and my father didn't get paid for

6:02 about 18 months but we didn't we also didn't lose an employee and he just

6:06 celebrated his 20th year with us just a couple of months ago. Um adver tornado I

6:12 live four blocks behind East Elementary School. I got I got we got hit uh we had

6:17 the roof lifted off of our house. We we evacuated the kids and my wife and and

6:23 we we prayed and we dealt with the mayor Max Townson and it was fantastic. Uh so

6:28 we we watched it get put back together. Didn't know if we wanted to stay. It was

6:31 so horrible. It took years. Uh but we're we're back and we love it and we we

6:36 didn't move from our home. We fixed it and u I don't have any downturns that I

6:41 that I know of that someone shouldn't vote for me. >> Thank you, sir, for your response. and

6:49 we will stay with you for this next question regarding growth pressure. Cullman is one of the fastest growing

6:56 cities in Alabama. What is one specific policy you would propose to make sure

7:02 growth benefits long-term residents as much as the newer arrivals? >> This for me?

7:11 >> Yes. Well, as far as the the long term for for existing citizens, uh we've got a

7:20 growth going on that that's uh we're not going to be able to slow it as much as

7:26 some of us would like to. I'm proud that people are wanting to move to our

7:30 community and live in our community, but we can grow a different way. Uh I have

7:36 visited this week some of these uh uh POD neighborhoods that our zoning laws

7:42 were changed in September of 2019 to allow some of these outside developers to come in and pretty much do

7:51 as they please. They leave us with drainage problems. We're we're backing these neighborhoods right up to the

7:58 exist existing citizens on these 50 60 year old neighborhoods. And I think we

8:04 can do a better job with that type of growth. Um, like I said, they they have

8:09 put a moratorum on that. They left it in place for two and a half years. The

8:13 pathway is is is is there. There's about 500 houses that will be built even

8:19 though some stuff has been changed around. They've they've already approved it. Um, so I think we need to do a

8:26 better job with taking care of the existing citizens prior to the the migrating citizens that are coming here.

8:34 Thank you, sir, for your response. And Johnny, same question. Growth pressure. Cullman is one of the fastest growing

8:42 cities in Alabama. What is one specific policy you would propose to make sure

8:48 growth benefits longtime residents as much as the new arrivals? Well, as was mentioned, uh, in 2019, a

9:00 lot of developers came and one of the reasons they came was because people

9:05 wanted the jobs. We brought higher paying jobs in. And with that, it's a

9:11 domino effect. You've got to have places for them to live, places for them to

9:15 eat, places for them to go to school. We addressed that issue and we have since

9:22 changed that. Now, the planned uh subdivisions were all engineered with the highest engineering standards

9:35 there are. And so, and with that, as far as drainage problems, they're engineered

9:41 to where there can be no more runoff than was before when the subdivision was

9:47 built. and we gauge that and it's true to fact. >> Can I respond to that?

9:58 >> 30 seconds to respond. >> I've worked this last week on the Balti

10:03 Road area by the Boli crossing at the corner of Hart Drive and Bolty Road.

10:10 These these poor citizens showed me videos of rivers of mud crossing the Bolty Road going down Hart Drive and

10:18 flooding them out. I witnessed a a crew come out after videos were posted on Facebook and clean

10:26 out about a three- foot wide ditch thinking this is going to take care of

10:30 the problem. this to the highest point of engineering is is my opponent is

10:34 saying that >> Johnny >> 20 seconds or 30 seconds to respond. >> The event he's talking about is an

10:44 unprecedented rain that only happens every so often. You can't control every construction site

10:55 247 and the good Lord puts that kind of rain on you. They were out there and they

11:01 cleaned it up and we'll continue to keep it cleaned up. >> Thank you, sir.

11:10 Now, Johnny will stay with you. Uh, this regards infrastructure challenges. Cullman's rapid growth stra uh Cullman's

11:23 rapid growth strains utilities and roads. What's your specific plan to fund improvements without overburdening

11:31 taxpayers? >> Well, that's a good question and I would continue to do what I'm doing right now

11:41 to not overburden people. It's because they're already taxed. That money goes to Washington DC and it goes to

11:47 Montgomery. And as we did on 157, we worked several years and we ended up

11:53 getting $14 million to get that done. We ended up getting $2.3 million to get the

12:00 Larkwood Bridge and the Eva Road bridge done. We have uh been appropriated uh $33 million for 278

12:12 and we got to continue to work to get it brought down. Uh, and that's that's my

12:18 job is to bring your tax dollars back to Cullman, Alabama. >> Thank you, sir, for your response.

12:26 Jason, same question. On infrastructure challenges, Cullman's rapid growth strains utilities and roads. What's your specific plan to fund

12:38 improvements without overburdening taxpayers? Well, for one thing, I stated the other night, I don't think that that solving

12:46 our infrastructure problems is shrinking our streets from 100 foot rottaways to I measured the 10 on four, it's going to

12:52 be 23 ft. I don't I don't think two delivery trucks are going to be able to

12:56 pass there. So, I don't I think that's going to we're adding to our traffic

13:00 woes by creating these these dangerous uh parking places is basically what we're getting out of it. As far as the

13:08 157, fantastic. We finally completed it. I used to dive off that bridge on Lake

13:14 Tunnel when I was in high school. I mean, it's it's taken a long time to get

13:17 that taken care of. But here's my my problem with that. So, we're we're we've

13:22 approved a 250 home neighborhood on Noble Ridge that's going to dump out onto 157 or they'll run it through the

13:30 neighborhood above there that's been there 75 years. They'll run all that traffic out. So, uh we also have another

13:37 development that's been approved. I think they're calling it the warranty subdivision. I went through the planning

13:42 commission and and and saw all the citizens get up and plead their case and

13:47 and shocked to see that thing pass. But that traffic is not going to be able to

13:52 to enter 157 and travel back west either. So all the money we got for 157,

13:58 we should have got a little bit more so we could have had some turnarounds. If

14:01 you want to go buy a lawnmower at Bash Brothers and you're traveling east,

14:05 there's no way to get over there. you've got to go up to the red light and

14:07 dangerously make a U-turn to get back. So maybe we should have asked for a

14:12 little bit more money to complete that so we'd had a little bit safer areas to

14:15 turn around it and and patronize the businesses that are on that road. >> Could I give a rebuttal?

14:21 >> Yes, sir. >> We got the money. The state designed the highway. We didn't design it. They decide where

14:31 the turnthroughs are. Just like the concrete medians on 278, you go down to Gulf Shores, Alabama,

14:40 they put the same thing right down Beachfront Road. We do not control that.

14:47 We did not control when the highway would get done. Other than we got the

14:52 $14 million, we were told to get half the money and it would get done. The

14:57 state built the bridges and left them there. Thank you sir for your response and that

15:05 was in uh that goes back to our rebuttal rules from the very beginning. So uh

15:12 Jason will continue with you regarding transparency in communication. What should the city do to make budgets

15:21 and contracts more accessible to the public? Well, I started trying to educate myself on

15:32 whether I was going to going to run or not, and I decided probably a year ago

15:36 that I would uh start attending council meetings. The second one that I attended,

15:43 I walked in, we said the pledge of allegiance, we they passed some resolutions,

15:49 and I promise you, seven minutes later, I was in my vehicle and was leaving. And

15:54 after that, I thought, well, I'm not going to learn anything from this. U I I

15:59 believe now that I've gotten a little bit more involved in it, we are making

16:02 decisions in in the work study uh chat beforehand. Uh, I think the it would be

16:10 fantastic if uh the public I I think we I know we publish the council meetings

16:17 on online, but I don't I've never seen a published time to be at a at a work

16:22 session prior to a council's meeting. So, u I think that would be great. A lot

16:27 of the doors I've knocked on that that people have been encroached on with

16:30 different projects, they say we go to the meetings, the deal is already done.

16:35 So maybe the deal is being done in the in the work work study program behind.

16:39 Maybe maybe that would be fantastic for these people to be able to to observe

16:43 that and maybe speak up on some of the some of the uh situations that go on in

16:48 there. >> Thank you sir for your response. And Johnny, same question regarding transparency and communication. What

16:57 should the city do to make budgets and contracts more accessible to the public?

17:04 Well, our city council meetings are open to the public. They are uh video

17:12 livereamed. The work sessions are open to the public. The media comes to them.

17:18 Uh anybody can come to them. They're one hour before every council meeting. It's

17:26 uh you know, we're not hiding anything. Anybody can come to them. They want a

17:31 copy of the budget, they can get it. It's public information. All you got to

17:35 do is go in and make a public information request. Act for your >> ask a question.

17:43 >> You can ask a question. >> Are they are the work pro are they

17:47 published? Are they out there for the public to see that you just said they're

17:50 an hour prior? That's the first I've heard. Are they published at >> So the work sessions

17:57 >> the work sessions are the work are they publicly announced? That's the first

18:01 I've heard just now that they're an hour prior. Are they announced to the public

18:05 so the public has noticed so they can attend? >> I have no idea.

18:10 >> You've been there 17 years. You don't know that. >> And I I you know what? You're not asking

18:16 the questions either. He is. >> We we announce work sessions of how >> they're published through the website.

18:25 We also attend as jury. >> So So you knew that. I wish you would

18:29 answer that. I didn't I didn't know you knew the answer to that. >> Part of being news is showing up to all

18:38 >> I'm just trying to learn like all the other citizens. >> All right,

18:44 Johnny, we'll stay with you. Uh, regarding diversity of voices. >> I'm sorry. Diversity of what?

18:51 >> Diversity of voices. >> Leases. >> Voices. >> Voices. Okay. >> Sorry. I have a little list.

18:59 How will you make sure minority and underserved communities have a voice in city policies?

19:08 Well, >> that's pretty easy. You just go out and talk to them. Uh I've worked this whole

19:13 city and I've always worked this whole city. Uh, I've got friends all over and

19:20 if they have a concern, they come to me and I listen to them and I speak on

19:26 their behalf, on their issue. Now, you can't always solve their issue. But if you cannot go listen to somebody that

19:36 has an issue that's your closest friend and then tell them yes you can do that

19:45 or no you can't and explain why and still be friends you don't need to be in

19:50 this business. >> Thank you sir for your response. Jason same question uh regarding diversity of

19:59 voices. How will you make sure minority and underserved communities have a voice in city policies?

20:07 >> Well, I'll say this. As far as diversity goes, knocking on the doors that I have

20:12 the last few weeks, Cullman is very diverse and and people are moving here because we are diverse.

20:20 So, hats off to to to to the government for producing that. There's there's

20:26 people that said we were worried about moving to Cullman, but it's been fantastic. The diversity here is is is

20:34 off the chain. We we don't quite still have that reputation out that we are

20:40 accepting and diverse of all races and all ethnics. But we are we're a great

20:45 people. We're a great community. And the government's done a fantastic job with that. From what I've noticed in the last

20:51 couple of weeks knocking on doors, people have been very happy to be here.

20:55 Said it's been the best place they've ever lived. And I'm going to some of

20:59 these new neighborhoods that I'm talking about and these people have only been here a year or two and they're they're

21:05 super happy. Super happy with us. >> Thank you, sir, for your response. And

21:11 we're going to stay with you for this next question involving council dynamics. City councils often see factions form.

21:21 How will you work with opponents without creating gridlock? >> Repeat it. Repeat it please. Factions.

21:28 Did you say >> factions? >> Factions. Okay, I got you. >> Factions form. How will you work with

21:34 opponents without creating gridlock? >> Well, I haven't even thought about creating gridlock. Uh I will say this

21:44 that uh if elected I'm going to be very careful not to become fascious. U

21:54 it's it's it's going on now. Uh the uh challengers all see it. They completely run as a group

22:03 and I'm friends with most of them and and I've asked some of them you know

22:06 about why it has to be this way. But uh as far as the gridlock, I don't expect

22:11 any gridlock, but I do plan on not uh we all have our own friends seemingly uh

22:21 and I don't need to make super friends with my council people. I want to be a

22:26 great acquaintance of theirs, but I don't have to run a faction. >> Thank you, sir, for your response. and

22:34 Johnny. Same question revolving involving council dynamics. City councils often see factions form. How

22:42 will you work with opponents without creating gridlock? >> Well, that's an easy question because

22:49 the majority rules and if you get your feelings hurt because you're not it doesn't go your

22:56 way, then there again, you don't need to be in this business. I've been the sole

23:01 man out on two major votes, but the others won and that's business. Now, you spend

23:16 a lot of time with these people. You're going to get very closely acquainted

23:20 with them, friends with them. And as far as running as a group, we don't run as a

23:25 group. We run independent. it. You know, we talk because we have the best interest of the city at heart.

23:38 Thank you, sir, for your response. And Johnny, we're going to stay with you on

23:42 this next question uh involving public private partnerships. Do you support using public money to

23:52 fund or support private developments such as a sports facility or hotels? Why or why not?

24:05 Public money in private use is is not a good mix. Uh if it's a job creating

24:20 situation such as a hotel, there are state incentives and sometimes we'll do inind

24:29 services to make that happen. But they have to meet a quota and if you don't

24:34 meet that quota for jobs, then there's a claw back and they have to pay it back.

24:41 Thank you sir for that response. Jason, same question on public private partnerships. Do you support using public money to

24:50 fund or support private developments such as sports facilities or hotels? Why or why not?

24:58 >> Well, other than the hotels and sports facilities, we can talk about shopping

25:02 centers and all that too. And u I I know that it's a necessary thing that has to

25:07 be done. Uh I it's going on with tax abatements. Um it's it's part of the process for having

25:17 businesses move in here, but but basically we're we're the we're the prettiest girl

25:23 at the dance. We just don't have any self-confidence. We have five uh interchanges on I65. Huntsville has one.

25:31 We have five. But we we we tend to give the farm away with and I've heard the

25:38 stories of this abatement and that abatement and and I believe we can make

25:41 a better deal. But we're going to we're going to continue to do that to to

25:46 invite businesses in for job growth, but I think we can make a better deal with

25:52 them. >> Thank you, sir, for your response. So, we're going to stay with you on this

25:57 next question regarding motivation and alignment. Candidates often enter the race for different reasons. Was your decision to

26:08 run a personal calling or did it come about as part of a coordinated push with

26:14 other candidates? Well, just so happens that I'd been thinking about this for a couple of

26:21 years and I bank at my opponent's uh employer and I'd gone by and spoke to

26:28 him and and asked him if maybe one of the three candidates that had been on

26:32 there at the time, I believe 15 years may not run that that maybe I had some

26:36 interest in it. I was concerned with the highdensity neighborhoods. That was basically it. We didn't have the

26:41 conversation about it that day, but that's the reason for me asking. Um, I

26:46 just uh I just had I wrestled with it for a while. I I do run a a small

26:52 business. Uh, but the motivation was there because I was seeing the the city

26:57 going in a direction that most were complaining about. Uh after a year or so went by, I was asked

27:07 by my opponent if I was going to run and who I may run against. And I hadn't made

27:12 a decision at that time, but I did make a point that uh people were complaining

27:16 about the explosion of these neighborhoods and the traffic. And his response was that I was the first person

27:23 who had mentioned that to him. And at that point in time, I knew I had to give

27:27 it some serious thinking about running because I felt like that I felt like he

27:34 might be out of touch a little bit with the citizens. And it concerned me and

27:37 and I decided up to the really up to the last minute I was wrestling with if I

27:43 could pull off both, if I could do my job and this job and with support from

27:48 my family and prayer, I made the decision that I could do it. Thank you sir for that response and

27:55 Johnny same question regarding motivation and alignment. Candidates often enter the race for different

28:01 reason. Was your decision to run a personal calling or did it come as a

28:06 part of a coordinated push with other candidates? >> It's definitely been a personal calling.

28:14 I am a serviceoriented person. I serve on many different things. Uh the foundry farm, I

28:25 serve at our church, run a a huge mission team to Greece. Uh it it's all

28:32 about community service. And as far as being out of touch with the people, I

28:39 see people every day and I talk to people, hundreds of people every day.

28:46 And nobody had mentioned that to me till he mentioned it to me and that's when we

28:53 started looking at realigning the growth in the subdivisions. Thank you sir for your response and

29:03 Johnny we're going to stay with you on this next question regarding environment and parks. Cullman takes pride in its

29:11 green spaces. What is one specific environmental or parks initiative you would champion? >> Wow. Uh, I'm going to say it's going to

29:25 be the uh the oldest park in Cullman is Art Park. And so I'm very proud that we

29:36 revitalized that and brought it back. And one of the second oldest, second or

29:43 third is going to be the Stifer Park. And just very proud that we redid that.

29:49 And now we're in the process of uh East Side Park, Lions Club Park, and we have

29:58 revitalized that, bought out a blighted house, and it's going to be uh something

30:04 that the citizens of the east side will be able to enjoy for years to come.

30:11 >> Thank you, sir, for your response. And Jason, we're going to go to you. Same

30:16 question, environment and parks. Cullman takes pride in its green spaces. What is one specific environmental or parks

30:25 initiative you would champion? Well, we all love our parks and we have several. And um once again, u I'll give

30:37 praise where praise is due. I don't know that I could do a better job with the

30:40 parks than this administration has done. Uh they're professionals. I I haven't attended the east side even though I I

30:47 live on the east side. I live a block and a half from the east side park. I

30:51 haven't attended the events because it's they've been in very capable hands over there on on building parks, redoing

30:59 parks, and u they're professionals at it. I wouldn't change a thing. >> Thank you, sir, for your response. And

31:08 we're going to stay with you for our final question of the evening. And this

31:14 is regarding civic responsibility. How do you separate personal business or friendships from official council

31:23 duties? And can you give an example of when you had to draw that line?

31:29 Well, in in our business, u we we we're a dealer for several manufacturers

31:37 and um not I'm the owner, so I'm not going to be influenced by it, but I will

31:44 hardly ever go out with a with a manufacturer. Very seldom that I'll go and do a

31:50 fishing trip or some something on on side like that. I don't have time. I'm a

31:56 busy person. And as far as my hobbies go, they're already lined up. I won't

32:02 mix business with pleasure. >> Thank you, sir, for your response. And Johnny, we're going to ask you the same

32:10 question, final question, civic responsibility. How do you separate personal business or friendships from

32:17 official council duties? And can you give an example of when you had to draw

32:21 that line? Well, as I stated before, if you can't go to your neighbor and

32:31 tell them no and still be friends, but you explain to them, you listen to their concerns and

32:38 you explain to them the reasons why. And you can still walk away and be

32:44 friends, you don't need to be in this business. And I've been able to do that on several

32:50 occasions working with some right now. And they may or may not get what they're

32:58 asking for. We just got to look at it. But and I've already told them that

33:04 upfront. You may or may not. But our job is to help them in their problem to

33:12 resolve it some shape, form or fashion. Thank you, sir, for your response. I

33:18 would like to thank both Johnny Cook and Jason Willoughby for joining us today.

33:23 And we're going to go ahead and go into closing statements. Jason Johnny was

33:28 afforded the opportunity to go first on opening statements. You're afforded the opportunity to go first on closing

33:33 statements. You have 90 seconds, sir. >> Well, again, I would appreciate your vote on Tuesday. Uh, if you want

33:41 transparency, if you want term limits, if a common sense approach to growth interest you, I'm your guy. If if you

33:49 want a rubber stamp for projects, you don't need to vote for me. I'm not in

33:54 this for an extra income, a social gathering, or an identity. And I I think

34:02 we've the the citizens are on this side, and the government seems to be on this

34:07 side. I've never seen it more divided. I when I when I hear the calls, I get the

34:12 calls. I hear the voice and they say we don't have a voice. And that's that's

34:16 one on my campaign side. It says your your voice, your town, your voice, your

34:22 vote. And that that started early on. That started before I was knocking on

34:25 doors. But that's what that's what's really lacking. And I would love to try

34:30 to mend those relationships and build them stronger. And again, um, I am a

34:36 businessman and and not many business people come forward to run. And so if

34:42 you want a business person trying to make better deals for you, I encourage

34:47 you to to give me a shot next Tuesday. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you, sir, for your

34:53 final statement. And Johnny, you have 90 seconds for your closing statement, sir. Well, I stand on my record. I stand on

35:04 my experience. And my opponent keeps hollering term limits. He's even compared us to the

35:10 city of Los Angeles. And I don't know about you, but that's one thing I don't

35:16 want to be compared to. I don't want people living on the streets. I don't

35:21 want people defecating on the streets, doing drugs on the streets. We've created a nice community

35:30 that is safe for our families, our grandchildren, and that's the way I want

35:36 to keep it. I humbly ask for your vote on August the 26. Thank you.

35:43 Once again, we'd like to thank uh Cullman City Council placed three candidates, Johnny Cook and Jason

35:51 Willoughby both for coming out today and coming up on the stage to debate. I know

35:56 that's not always the funnest thing to have to do, but we do appreciate your

36:00 time. We also would like to thank everyone who attended in our crowd and

36:04 who also attended watching at home. Also like to give a special thank you to Dr.

36:10 Vicky Carlos and Wall State College for providing such a beautiful auditorium for us to host these debates in. And at

36:19 this time, we are finished with these debates. And just remember to get out

36:23 and vote next Tuesday. We'll be back in about 15 20 minutes with place five.

36:29 Thank you.